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Except that the is going to hit the entire wave, while can only hit groups of three.

(I agree with increasing the CD of Stop Time, to compensate for the added CC. It reminds me of old Nem, actually.)

So at level 5.

Reworked Chronos.

= (75 x 2) x 6 (entire wave) = 900. (Costs 70 mana)

= 80 x 3 x 2 (maybe twice, one group of mimims each?) = 480. (Costs 50 x 2 mana.)

Total Damage = 1380. Total Mana: 170.

Old Chronos, leveling first.

= (50 x 2) x 6 (entire wave) = 600. (70 mana.)

= 80 x 3 x 2 (maybe twice, one group of mimims each?) = 480. (50 x 2 mana)

Total damage = 1080. Total Mana: 170.

Old Chronos, leveling first.

= (30 x 2) x 6 (entire wave) = 360. (65 mana.)

= 125 x 3 x 2 (twice, both used on group of three minions) = 450. (55 x 2 mana)

Total damage = 810. (175 mana used.)

As you can see, I think this is actually a complete upgrade. I didn't put Accelerate since it doesn't affect any damage numbers or anything, and since it reduces mana by a multiplier, it doesn't change whether one method costs more.

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Oh yeah, forgot to regard the fact that TR only damages about 3 where as ST hits the entire wave.

Fair enough. I'll try to make a summary of Chronos, Isis & Freya tomorrow. If you don't have any thoughts on , we can move to the final god - .

You can also make the summaries if you find the time.

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I just played a game of Ranked, against Snoopy who went ADC Vulcan. He made a better ADC than other ADCs. It's ridiculous. Something has to go, and it should either be how Mages beat pretty much everyone in a damaging role, or how some ADCs are just too limited. The poll says to Nerf the Stronk.

Part of the problem is how Mages beat everyone in the pushing department, and how pushing runs the entire ****ing game.

The problem with this, is that we were balancing mages relative to each other. But not to Smite as a whole. (Also, when has a mage ever not been on the instaban list?)

We can do Scylla at the same time as the others. And again, this isn't us redoing the entire thing. Honestly, most changes have already been suggested.

The goal here is to balance out gods relative to other gods. For example, He Bo is a mage carry, therefore, he shouldn't have a good early game, even if all other mage carries had a good early game.

: Well, he's alright, and you've already suggested removing the CC thing in his dash.

: Increase the CD of squall to 10 seconds, to limit his poking potential. If gets a 10 sec CD on , Ao can live with this change.

: As stated before, I don't know how to deal with her.

: Again, nothing here that hasn't already been said.

: Same for Chronos.

: She's actually pretty comparable to an ADC, and has pretty similar weaknesses and all. Maybe change the slow on from 25% to 17/19/21/13/25%, just to limit the CC she has early game.

: Is a train wreck.

: He has a poke, a strong damage skill, and a pseudo-escape. To me, he just has too much CC, not to mention he has probably the best poke in the game. Here's my idea: Make it deal 40/80/120/160/200 damage (+60% of your magical power), but it's damage increases up to x1.5 as your target gets closer, like flame strike. This actually deals MORE damage when used at close range, and it limits its poke potential. Maybe increase the cooldown to 12 seconds.

: Just remove the speed buff on , and put it on , as well as lowering her contributions and increasing her base numbers a bit. Now she has less survivability, but a slightly stronger early game. Maybe increase the CD of /, just to lower harass potential.

: She seems balanced.

: Not sure about this one.

: Ra is beating every bruiser in pushing, but he has weaknesses. The problem isn't really with Ra, but the state of the game, where pushing > everything. Maybe reduce his speed buff from 7% to 5%.

: The most adorable apocalypse child has a pretty ****ty early game, and a monstrous late game. Because her waveclear (and mana...and damage...and everything...) is so weak early, she can't afford to harass with much. Maybe reduce the root from 1.25-2.25 to 1.0-2.0.

: He can clear and harass repeatedly within a few seconds, on top of having stupid amounts of burst damage. needs a higher cooldown, 15/14/13/12/11 seconds, and needs a ******* nerf; -- gives 220% scalings on top of range and base damage; it's ridiculous. He Bo damage at range...just no. Increase the cost of from 40-60 to 60-80, so he can't repeatedly harass with it, and lower its contributions to 60%.

: Well, we already discussed him to death.

: Well, his harass is pretty limited, his CC isn't the worst thing in the world. He has sustain, he has damage, but both are pretty limited. If his thing scales as suggested previously, I think he'll be alright.

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I think is very hard to play against and hard to play with. Sure his abilities are pretty basic but his combo is hard to know at first. Before I used to max his 1 instead of his 3 because I thought it was a support ability and havent been playing him since recently. I feel is almost perfect in balance except for the fact if you attack him in his heal youre dead... If you have insane burst and the doesnt build cdr , you have a chance at killing him. I think the best idea is to keep his heal the same amount but the damage from the heal a bit less*.

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Agreed with Greenevers, is so good right now because he can outclass most bruisers in pushing and sustain which is a huge boon in Solo lane at the moment. He a easy god to pick up and play on paper, but his combos and skills are NOT easy to land and he is a pretty in your face god (which is a problem as a squishy mage with no true escape). I think he is pretty balanced, though reducing s damage (not the heal) sounds like a good idea.

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Sub, maybe we're looking at the wrong angle here. Why not make pushing less significant rather than reducing the pushing capabilities of almost every Mage?

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Well, part of this isn't JUST pushing. In fact, it is everything but pushing. I'm talking about how Mages seem to have advantages over other gods (aka tanks and hunters and some bruisers).

For example, He Bo is undeniably a mage carry. In fact, judging by his +21% MP multiplier, he's a mage hyper carry, pretty comparable to . But when you compare Chronos' early-late game to He Bo's, and compare it to almost any ADC, well, you start seeing some pretty big differences.

Yes, He Bo is countered by pushers, but pushing is too complex of an issue to tackle here, so we're just pretending right now that pushing has no relevance. And if pushing had no relevance, He Bo would still be strong, due to his really, really, really strong poke.

Compare that to another hyper carry, . Yeah, she needs a buff. But compare his laning phase and hers, and there's no contest; He Bo's is better.

That's what I'm trying to change: Everything BUT the pushing.

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Okay, I see your point. Here are a few points with which I disagree/have improvements;

- Yes balancing off the contributions for base damage is more than welcome, and I like moving the speed buff from her 3 to her 2. As for the Decay/Restoration cooldown change, something like 10/9.5/9/8.5/8 seems okay. The bottom line is that her clear is just way, way too dangerous. I tried laning against Hel with Guan, and while yes, it's a bad match-up to being with, it was just impossible.

- I might be by*** here, but I think you've overestimated his pushing potential. Early game, Vulcan's push is ****ty. And his poke isn't so powerful, as you lose a lot of your push if you level first instead of . Also, I don't know if you know this, but actually starts at 7 seconds cooldown and scales to 5. Also, it's very tough to land a second after preforming > . It pushes yourself away from enemies, and if we compare this to he bo, he has a 3 second cooldown, and while it's not as ranged, the cooldown, damage, aiming (I know it doesn't count but still), and the fact that it doesn't push you away... you see my point. True, with the buffs we've suggested to his turret and his passive, a slight nerf could work, but, not as much as you've suggested.

- I believe the current speed buff is 8%, so 6% seems okay.

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chronos summary

As we all know, Chronos is a late game monster, but an early game piece of uselessness. There are a few problems with him, but they are not so easily defined, so I'll just write the ideas & suggestion.

Tweaking Suggestions

Stop Time, as of now, slows to a stun, meaning that if the target is immune to slows, they won't e stunned either, for example, Thanatos when his Scent of Death is active. Now, Stop Time is the only form of CC Chronos has, and while it might be annoying to deal with sometimes, it's not super hard to dodge - it's probably the slowest moving skill shot in the game. Sure, in the jungle it can almost never miss, but what doesn't? So gods that are immune to slows won't be slowed to a stun rather than just be stunned at the time they are supposed to be without the slow effect before it. (me)
After getting Rewind, Chronos will have a copy of him which will only be visible to him. The copy will represent where Chronos has been 8 seconds ago. This comes in handy just so that you won't Rewind and try to guesstimate where you've been. (me)
Since his early game clear is the worst out of all the Mages (perhaps Scylla's is on par with him), he could use a change. Buff the base numbers of Stop Time to 50/75/100/125/150 (+25%) and reduce the mana cost to 60/65/70/75/80. This will help his early game, but slightly nerf his late game. (Raventhor)

Rework Suggestions

Change Stop Time to Slow Time. Instead of slowing to a stun, enemies that are hit are slowed from 1% to 99% over 2 seconds.* (Subzero008)
Add a stun of 0.75 seconds on Time Rift. Enemies that are affected by Slow Time are stunned for 2x the duration (1.5 sec). (Subzero008). The cooldown is increased from 5 seconds to 7 seconds. (me)

Reason - So you'd level Stop Time for the clear, and Time Rift can be leveled later for harass, or Accelerate for the DPS. Time Rift now gains some early utility, so players will be encouraged more to level Stop Time first. This should also solve the slow-as-molasses problem of Stop Time, as it's possible to reliably hit with such a small AoE. (Flame Strike, anyone?)

*The tweaking suggestions of adding a copy for Rewind and buffing the base numbers of Stop Time/Slow Time are still valid for the rework suggestions.

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Here are my proposed changes. These changes are to change He Bo from a burst mage/hyper carry into a tanky sustained damage mage. I also unintentionally buffed jungle He Bo with these changes by a fair bit, increasing sustain and ganking power.

He Bo Patch Notes