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The damage is not the issue, the heal is. Nerfing the damage won't fix anything.

Yes, but I don't think the problem is the heal so much, since that is the only thing strong about . He has decent CC and hard to hit and . If you nerf the damage, people might actually be able to kill him while he sits in his heal.

I don't believe the damage should be taken out completely, a good idea but it makes useless. Sure, he still has his heal but he will use more for himself while he sits back then offensively.

is a special case because every single one of his abilities do damage. Strictly talking about mages, and are the only other gods which all their abilities do damage.

How about this: Reduce the overall healing and damage to 10/20/30/40/50(+18% of magical power) which is 10 less from the heal and rounded up from the average of 15% and 20%. Doing this alone will be a bit too much so why not add a 10% slow for any enemies in it. And then, take out the slow but increase the damage from so doesn't have 2 slows.

This will make it so is needed more as an offensive ability rather than a sit back and full health. Instead, will be like with less damage.

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I'm trying to be as receptive as possible to your ideas... But I really can't see much reasoning behind them. It's not addressing the issues of the ability. I think Subzero is on the right track with this one.

I feel like Ra could actually find a niche as a duo lane pushing support with the changes Sub suggests, as well as a solid mid lane pick.

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Well I was trying to explain a way for to be a more offensive ability, which you said you wanted.

IMO, isn't a big problem.

Edit: How would taking out the damage completely from make it offensive at all?

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It's not about making it offensive, it's about making it a more engaging ability and less 'fire and forget' as Subzero said, which was clearly stated in the post. Making it more offensive was one way of achieving this, Sub's suggestion is another way of doing this.

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Okay, I see where you're going with that, but what would be compensated for the removal of all damage from ? I don't think adding a small speed buff for allies is enough. One of his other abilities should be buffed a little, probably .

The removal of damage from would change how people played with completely. Yours and Sub's ideas sound noteworthy, though.

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Well, even if it's a small speed buff that you place down when initiating, it still requires more planning and decision making than it does now.

Now, regarding , it's probably in an even worse state than . This is the ultimate lack of gameplay ability. Most of the time, Ra's just activate this ability, and then they just hope that the blind and slow goes off. It never really is incorporated into any of Ra's damaging 'combos'. It's also just used when running away, and it's basically unavoidable for any melee god, yet it will rarely hit a ranged god.

Now, my solution for this is to simply change it into a skillshot. Make it the same targeting style as , and a lot of these issues will be fixed. He now has a chance of hitting ranged gods, and melee gods can now dodge it. Also, I feel like with the likely removal of the damage from , we can bump up the damage here to still keep his pushing power intact.

The new will look something like this:

Ra targets an area, and after a 1 second delay, a ray of light bursts into the area. All enemies in the area are slowed by X/X/X/X/X% for Xs and blinded for Xs. Additionally, all enemies take X/X/X/X/X (+X% of magical power) magical damage.

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Not a bad idea, how big would the ability be, assuming it is a circle?

Ranging from Ra's to Ullr's

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Not a bad idea, how big would the ability be, assuming it is a circle?

Ranging from Ra's to Ullr's

Around Suppress the Insolent's size is good I think. That's 15 foot if I'm not mistaken.

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I just don't want the slow to be that bad, because that is already a ridiculous counter to melee gods.

Hey, here's a thought: Want to put it so that an ability that hits the divine light ball makes it detonate early, for more burst damage, to compensate for the removed damage on solar blessing?

One caveat: The slow should be reduced if you make it ranged, because the slow is already super effective, even if in melee range (stacking 5% every 0.3 seconds, for 3 seconds).

Maybe 3% every 0.3 seconds, up to 30%. It could also create a more tactical use; leave it to make a longer slow, or detonate it for damage?

Sound good?